Curse

Sira · Jun 02, 2005, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Ok so i been playing in arena most the night tonight, and this is really getting old. I personally feel that there needs to be a time restriction placed on how long player can re enter a pvp match if he/she leaves before the match is over( say like 24 hours...this would really discourage players from leaving early and it should be account wide)....this would stop for the most part these whiny people from doing this...either that or lock the zone or disable map travel until the timer stops.(sure players may stop fighting all together instead of leaving, but at least then we would get the pleasure of seeing them get the crap smacked out of them by enemy)

This is to the players who do leave fights early, if you cant handle losing you need to find a new game to play because in this game there will always be someone better, and there will always be times when you lose, stop punishing your team ...you hit enter mission, at least have the decency to finish...no one made you hit enter mission so no one else should have to suffer because you want to throw temper tantrums,

Maybe my suggestion is a bit extreme but if any other players have suggestions that seem a lil less harsh yet still effective please post it

Willow · Jun 02, 2005, 06:57 AM // 06:57

This seems completely reasonable.

Sure, there's going to be the occasional random disconnect. (But I think this isn't particularly harsh against such a user, especially if they can just go play PvE for a while.)

Or maybe just an hour of no-PvP... it would probably still get the message across, without being overly harsh on those who do honestly get disconnected.

The Virago · Jun 02, 2005, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Agree.

Poppinjay · Jun 02, 2005, 12:20 PM // 12:20

I have crashed out of pvp arenas before. And I would be furious if I was locked out of the pvp aspect of the game becasue microsoft or GW caused a crash. Why should a player be punished for mistake in the product or in the operating system it is running under.

Besides, if somebody quits in PvP then that just weakens their own team and helps their opponents. There is no real reason to do it on purpose.

Pop

Feli · Jun 02, 2005, 12:26 PM // 12:26

I disagree.
I disconnected quite a few teams on purpose in the Arena for more then enough of a reason.

You want to know why? Due to the racism i'm not willed to tolerate. If someone is painting swastikas on the minimap and says typical racist bullshit... am i supposed to accept and tolerate this? Is it right to punish ME for not playing with RACISTS?
I tell the team straight away when i join: Make ANY racist comment and i will leave mid fight. And so i have done quite a few times now.
Keep the racism out of the game. Do not tolerate racism or it will grow stronger and stronger.

/edit:
And yes, racism is growing strong in guildwars these days

It is encouraged by the Territorial Settings and stuff

Ever been to the temple of ages when Korea or America just prevented Europe from getting the favor in the very last minute? The comments flooding in aren't even CLOSE to civilized or what should be on peoples mind.

Actually, they are more like the following "Let's donate Bush some bombs for Korea" and other people agreeing to that (do not come with the argument those are germans... they are mostly not).
Don't expect me to accept this bullshit in the game and help it grow by supporting racist groups in tombs.

/edit 2:
Some kind of reinforcement queue might be the solution. Let's say there is a map where you can hit enter mission and whenever someone leaves in the arena, you get put into that team...

Hell Marauder · Jun 02, 2005, 12:38 PM // 12:38

Racism is a valid reason, and another valid reason is bad connection. But there are times when a monk (usually a monk who thinks he/she is more valuable than anyone else in the team) declares " if no one calls target, I will leave" or " if someone attacks before a target is called, I'll leave". That really pisses me off. That kind of people have no sense of honor, and to me desertion is worse than defeat in a battle. Right or wrong, you should fight with your team to the end, unless your team did something injustice to you.

Acce · Jun 02, 2005, 12:42 PM // 12:42

I see a few problems whit this suggestion (altough I agree that it's so annoying when someone just leaves in the middle of a mission, specially in the later ones).

Anyways, What if someone gets disconnected to internet (apparently there're quite a few ppl with connection problems). Is it fair to ban them too?

Or even worse, what if two ppl decide to abuse the system by running in circles or not doing anything at all a long long time meaning everyone will be forced to stay (or be punished in one way or another)

Schorny · Jun 02, 2005, 01:26 PM // 13:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feli

(do not come with the argument those are germans... they are mostly not)

The funny stuff is, that Austria and Germany have far fewer racists/nazis than for example france or the US (no offense there - I don't say that french or american people are racists!!)

Because Austria and Germany suffer from the past there is more feelings and fear of nazis/racists. But of course there are racists/nazis in Austria/Germany but much fewer than one would imagine.

Back to Topic:
I got disconnected 6 times yesterday

every single time during a mission or arena fight. So I'm strong against punishment for disconnects.

But I would suggest to replace the dropped guy with a henchmen of that class. That is still bad for the team, because players are much better than henchmen, but atleast if the healer left you get aleisa... Maybe the team leader should choose which henchmen should join the team...

Gangrenous Khan · Jun 02, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

Henchman replacement sounds like a brilliant idea to me!....there would have to be some guard aganst abuse....like waiting until you are about to bite it then dropping to give your team a fresh henchie.... but if they came in at a similar health level, that would be fine!

Spirit Firefly · Jun 02, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feli

I disagree.
I disconnected quite a few teams on purpose in the Arena for more then enough of a reason.

You want to know why? Due to the racism i'm not willed to tolerate. If someone is painting swastikas on the minimap and says typical racist bullshit... am i supposed to accept and tolerate this? Is it right to punish ME for not playing with RACISTS?
I tell the team straight away when i join: Make ANY racist comment and i will leave mid fight. And so i have done quite a few times now.
Keep the racism out of the game. Do not tolerate racism or it will grow stronger and stronger.

/edit:
And yes, racism is growing strong in guildwars these days

It is encouraged by the Territorial Settings and stuff

Ever been to the temple of ages when Korea or America just prevented Europe from getting the favor in the very last minute? The comments flooding in aren't even CLOSE to civilized or what should be on peoples mind.

Actually, they are more like the following "Let's donate Bush some bombs for Korea" and other people agreeing to that (do not come with the argument those are germans... they are mostly not).
Don't expect me to accept this bullshit in the game and help it grow by supporting racist groups in tombs.

/edit 2:
Some kind of reinforcement queue might be the solution. Let's say there is a map where you can hit enter mission and whenever someone leaves in the arena, you get put into that team...

So basically you punish the other 6 members of the team because you spat your dummy out over 1 member of the team. Out of 8 people your bound to get somone who has to be a tard. I'm sure it's not just racism. I expect you are the one who leaves because you died first or spends the rest of the match spamming omg my team are such noobs lololollll!!11

The IOU · Jun 02, 2005, 02:30 PM // 14:30

I agree with an hour...good call.

Khrysyl · Jun 02, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Feli makes a very good point. It seems there are valid reasons to leave a match early, and it is not fair to punish someone for doing so.

I don't really see a reasonable way to punish someone who leaves a match early without knowing why she left.

Zilm · Jun 02, 2005, 03:38 PM // 15:38

They left because the house is on fire?
They went to dinner?
They hated the group?
They were bored?
etc.........

Doesnt matter, something should be done. At least 1/2 an hour ban. Yes a few bad apples do spoil the basket!

I have a DSL connection and when a phone call is initiated and terminated I lose my connection. I get booted from the GW server E=007. Wasnt my fault, but I can take the ban. I'll live for another half hour, then I can play again. But please dont allow a person who keeps dropping to sit in the waiting pool until they find a group that is stronger or whatever.

The IOU · Jun 02, 2005, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khrysyl

Feli makes a very good point. It seems there are valid reasons to leave a match early, and it is not fair to punish someone for doing so.

I don't really see a reasonable way to punish someone who leaves a match early without knowing why she left.

Either way, it is only an hour and will solve people who abuse leaving. I bet there are more ppl that abuse leaving then people that leave on legit reasons.

Gortz · Jun 02, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Valid yes

Vanity no

I too see (and im sorry to say it seems to always the monks) players leave with no reason.

One time we hadnt even started fighting yet!

I understand disconnections - if in 2hr limit on dial up - why not renew connection b4 going in? if plain disconnect - take name of ldr down and send whisper saying sry bout pc crashed. If i crashed on someone the decent thing to do is whisper the guy and say soz.

But ive seen "god u lot are noobs and leave" from a monk

Ive seen "right i will call i will say when do not do anything until i say" - get attacked "stop it stop it!" - "err were being attacked" - "f**k it" /log from monk

Ive seen "err hello monk here" - "yep we know ur the guy keeping us standing up" - "well that ele took me out" - "ok im in middle of two w/mo's, who would you rather hit you?" - "your the warrior do ur job and tank" - "i not super duper warrior m8, i can only hit whats in front of me" /log from a monk

As can see the trend forming here.

Im doing a monk also to see how it turns normal people into god like uber leet player just coz ur a healer.

Ive played healer in every mmorpg ive played and i know the pain of a healer and the grief they get, so im on ur side - but so far the majority of monks are giving the good minority a bad name - purely coz they know we can do without them.

my 2 cents

Feli · Jun 02, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spirit Firefly

So basically you punish the other 6 members of the team because you spat your dummy out over 1 member of the team. Out of 8 people your bound to get somone who has to be a tard. I'm sure it's not just racism. I expect you are the one who leaves because you died first or spends the rest of the match spamming omg my team are such noobs lololollll!!11

Actually... no. I'm the one to set up teams and ask for new players in tombs. I'm the one who will accept a ranger more often then the typical warrior/monk. I'm allowing mesmers in, and basically all the other classes considered "weak" by the standard player. If we lose i'm the one to say "well we tried... back to outpost and let's come back with a new tactic."
/edit:
Assuming i am team leader.
If someone else is, i'm not the one to complain about "weak" classes. Those are the "experienced" players.

But... it is funny to see you flaming around just because i am against the idea of a temp ban and made a valid point as to why i am leaving matches now and then. Yes, if the team supports a racist by accepting him in, the team deserves to lose. Especially when i am telling the team i will leave if i am seeing racism coming from the team i am in.
I do not leave for flaming morons or the ones you mentioned and said i would be. Why should i? That is nonsense and i am not gonna get upset about that. If someone is thinking he is "teh ubar player" he is free to do so. If the match is over i'll just kick the pro out of the team if i am leader and take someone in that is not professional or does not label himself as "experienced".

Yes i admit there are dozend of bad players out there that will leave a mission right away. Ever heard of grievers? You fall for it everytime and that is what makes some of them go on and on. But those are few and i dare to say, most people leaving an arena do not leave for no reason.

thegriffgeeks · Jun 02, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sira

Ok so i been playing in arena most the night tonight, and this is really getting old.

I agree. This happened multiple times in the Tomb. People start leaving as soon as 1 person leaves. No one is sure how or why that person left, but the rest start ditching because "I've done this before and we can't do it with 7 people."

However, and this should just not be allowed at all (not sure how it would be implemented), the ALT-F4 announcement comes when in the Tombs. So here is the scenario. We get past the fight-the-monsters part, and are now waiting for the team rounds to begin. On local chat someone says "hit ALT-F4 to view team stats" or some other junk like that. We lost a few players that way even when we warned them not to do it and that ALT-F4 quits Guildwars because it is a Windows command not a GW command.

Sira · Jun 02, 2005, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Keep in mind that crashing and leaving the game early are two entirely Seperate things...im reffering to the player who map travels back to the arena start zone...im sure (or would hope )that GW would be able to find a way to distinguish the difference if a penalty was implemented...Its obvious when a player just up and leaves because he got his butt handed to him, Ive crashed out of the arena myself but i DONT abandon a team just because i die. AS for people who leave do the racist slurs and what not...i can see that pissing you off, it does me on a regular basis....but is it fair to the other players who are smart enough to just ignore the other player or politely ask them to stop first, that you up and leave? There are always going to be jerks in the game...i understand that, but remember you hit the enter mission button...if you arent willing to tolerate the remarks made by other players Dont play the game because you leaving early just instagates more trash talking and they arent going to stop just because you leave a team early...

in the end what would really help is if a temp ban for first warning on accounts for people that use racial slurs (proof of course to be required such as SS of the log) and a perm ban implemented for second offense...If someone wants to be racial thats there choice, and if they want to bring it to the game that is also there choice, but their should be consiquences for that. That would at least curb the racism real fast in game.... And its not like Anet will lose money because there is no monthly fee

Epinephrine · Jun 02, 2005, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Hey, many of us won't tolerate the swastikas and crap. I left a group the other day for it, and I will again. Does it punish others? I guess so, but until AN puts a way to kick a player by vote and to ID who is drawing on the map my choice is to stay partied with the asshat drawing things or tell the group that they can hook up with me if they want, and that they are short a player because of a racist.

Sting · Jun 02, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Well I came up with a "quiters rating" idea that wont affect those that leave because of crashes. Its fairly easy to put into the code and only goes into effect when someone uses the Map to zone back, logs out.

THe system works like this. Everyone would get 2 freebies so you would have to have quit 2 times B4 it shows up on your raiting. And for every say 5 matches you complete without quiting you lose 1 mark. I mean if you cant complete 1 out of 5 matches due to whatever reason then you shouldnt waste the others in your groups time or efferts or go out with henchman untill you can fix the problem (and yeah I didnt pay for their acounts but they didnt pay for the other group members accts either). And the person who leaves should be replaced with an NPC they are better than being a person short.

As for PvE same as above plus have a "/reform" command so that groups can go back to the city by vote of the players majority rules (some groups of people might use it for grieving purpises but it is harder to find the majority who would /reform than just a few grievers). Also if your only with henchman since only real players votes count you would be the "majority" so once you gotten what you needed you can "/reform" and zone back without a quiters mark counted against you.

This isnt perfect they can still just unplug the conection, but Id think this would get tiresome and this "extra" work would soon outweigh the a--hole kick they are getting. No system is perfect but doing nothing would be the same as the bank saying well someone can "crack" any safe so just leave it open at night ungaurded LOL.

This can be done fairly easilly and only counts if you hit the "YES" leave my group mates hanging Buttons "click event". Its fairly simple coding I have an Associates degree in CIS and am planning to go back for my Bachelors with a concentration is Video game design. This isnt rocket science and probably should have been in the initial design but to be fair I dont think it was as big of a problem during Beta's.